SIMON COWELL SAYS:”ANYTHING CAN HAPPEN ON AMERICAN IDOL”
The show is such an event every year when it comes back on the air. When you started with it here in the U.S., what were your expectations? Has it met or surpassed any of the wildest expectations you could have for this show?
Well, letâ€™s put it this way: When I first did American Idol, the one thing I made sure I had was a return ticket, because I genuinely thought weâ€™d have been off the air in about three or four weeks and Iâ€™d be making a very hasty return back to the U.K. Luckily, things turned out much better. I mean, itâ€™s gone way, way beyond our expectations. I love the fact that at this time of the year everyoneâ€™s looking forward to the audition rounds, everyoneâ€™s looking forward to the season returning. We will continue to do this show as long as weâ€™re welcomed by the audience and they seem to still like it. Weâ€™re still enthusiastic about doing it. Itâ€™s been the best eight years of my life. Itâ€™s been fantastic.
How was the crop this year versus last year?
My feeling, having done the Hollywood round, was we have an interesting bunch. Where I think we got a little bit stuck last year, it was kind of like battle of the blondes and they all looked the same. I couldnâ€™t differentiate one from the other. This year there seems to be more personality. Theyâ€™re definitely standing up for themselves more, which I like. Theyâ€™re different from the people weâ€™ve had before. Iâ€™m actually happy and Iâ€™m optimistic about this year. I could be wrong.
Youâ€™ve said that you think a guy will win, and America hasnâ€™t narrowed it down yet. Is that because the male talent pool is so overwhelming or do you have someone specific in mind?
Not specific. When you do the Hollywood week, which we did about a month ago, you get to see all the contestants for a second time. My memory of that was that the guys overall â€“ maybe five or six of them â€“ were just stronger and they stood out more than the girls. Iâ€™ve said this in the past: Iâ€™ve been wrong. Somebody like a Kelly Clarkson can emerge in the middle stages, which youâ€™re not expecting. Still, anything can happen.
Youâ€™ve mentioned that part of the problem with the format in recent years was that you and audiences were getting bored with the contestants after too many weeks in the pre-top 12 days. What is your role in the early selection process of preventing that from occurring, and what did you do this year to make sure that you werenâ€™t going to get bored with these people?
Well, we tried to be as broad and as open minded as possible so that we donâ€™t end up with 12 people from the Stepford Wives. I think itâ€™s important that we have all types of singers, all types of people because I have to say, I think personality is as important as talent on a show like this. I think itâ€™s important for the show. What you hope you end up with is somebody like Fantasia, whoâ€™s not only extremely talented, sheâ€™s an incredible person, has a great vibe and makes the show interesting. We tried, where we can with what we had, just to get a more interesting group of people.
You were talking about how you wanted this to be as broad as possible, the pool, it seems like youâ€™ve really done that in recent years. In early years it was pretty narrowly pop and now, thereâ€™s success of country and harder rockers in recent years. Have you been surprised by how successful Idol people have done in country and by some of the harder rockers?
Well, I think the rock thing, particularly Chris Daughtry, he did make a huge difference because a lot of the guys who came on the show, they were kind of fake. They were coming in saying, â€œI stand for rock-and-roll,â€ and Iâ€™m going, â€œNo, you donâ€™t, because youâ€™re on American Idol, therefore youâ€™re conforming.â€ Someone like Chris, he brought a different type of edge to the show and was incredibly successful. You know, I did this show in the first place because Iâ€™ve always been a big fan of American singing talent. You have to hope and assume with a show as big as ours that through the process we do that we are going to find stars. Iâ€™m not really that surprised. What I do like is the fact that weâ€™re open minded enough to now encourage all different types of artists, which is a good thing for the show.
You mentioned that after this many years that contestants should be well aware of the criticism they may face when they step in front of the judges. Thatâ€™s certainly valid, coming up on season eight, but I wonder, given what happened with Paulaâ€™s fan, are you considering in any way tempering your remarks?You know, Iâ€™ve thought long and hard about this. I think the answer to the question is that we will continue in the way that weâ€™ve always done, which is in the main, weâ€™ve tried to have a sense of humor over the whole process. The show is not an inherently mean show. It is an American dream show. The whole purpose of the show is to find somebody â€“ it could be a cocktail waitress like Kelly Clarkson â€“ who through the process becomes a star. Iâ€™ve always thought it was important to show people at home that when bad singers come in and theyâ€™re not very good, that itâ€™s time to give up that type of dream and take a normal job. I think that the people at home, itâ€™s been helpful, showing people the process. If youâ€™re not very good, donâ€™t waste your time â€“ years â€“ trying to do something that youâ€™re not very good at doing. You know, as I said, when something like this happens, it does make you take a step back. As I said to somebody earlier on, you assume that everyone who enters American Idol kind of knows the score, that if youâ€™re not great, youâ€™re going to get some criticism. A lot of people have had criticism in the past, but they come back year after year after year and always seem quite happy to meet us afterwards. Weâ€™ve known some of these contestants for seven or eight years now.
Just looking ahead a little bit, I wondered if you could give us an idea of some of the mentors, the celebrity mentors we might be seeing this season. Youâ€™ve had so many on in the past. Is there anyone that you would really like to get that you havenâ€™t managed to persuade to come on the show yet?
Well, we try every year to get Paul McCartney on. For whatever reason, he wonâ€™t come on. People in the past, when you get someone like Lionel Richie or Quentin Tarantino, who are just brilliant fun, those are the kinds of people you would like to come back on the show. I know Quentin wasnâ€™t a mentor, but he was a terrific guest judge. We just recently had Beyonce on the British version of this show, who was absolutely incredible. We had Mariah Carey on. We had Britney on, which was a riot â€“ I loved it. So you want those kinds of assets. I like people with personalities.
Britney was on your other show, sheâ€™s in the midst of a comeback, she has a new album to promote. What are the chances she might appear on Idol this season either as a mentor or at least as a performer?
Well, she would be literally first on the list as far as Iâ€™m concerned in any capacity. I would love to see her mentor the contestants. If she doesnâ€™t want to do that and she wants to come on the show to perform, I would welcome her anytime. The buzz we had on our show when she came on was extraordinary. Even with all the stuff thatâ€™s gone on with her over the past two years, there was more excitement and interest in her than Iâ€™ve seen in anyone in years. So she would be very, very welcome.
Since youâ€™ve stressed again and again that itâ€™s an individual singing competition, why do you have them sing in groups in Hollywood?
By the way, I do ask myself that question when I see it sometimes. Partly itâ€™s because we have a certain amount of days and a finite amount of time to actually go through the entire process and we have nearly 200 people. So by putting them in groups, it speeds up the process a little bit. Secondly, it starts to really show their true personalities because if somebodyâ€™s in trouble, youâ€™ll always see it within the group process, and it helps me make the selection process. Thirdly, itâ€™s difficult for them. They always find it hard, and I think thatâ€™s probably a good test at that stage in the competition.
You just said that you would continue to do the show as long as America wants to watch it, but I remember talking to you last year and you said that you were done after three seasons â€“ eight, nine and ten. Are you changing your decision or do you think itâ€™ll be done by ten?
It could still continue without me. Iâ€™ve always believed that. This show is successful all over the world and Iâ€™m only on American Idol. Iâ€™ll make a decision next year as to what I do as an onscreen judge because there is a big, big schedule now and I do two other shows, so itâ€™s been hard. I think that this show could continue for another 10, 20 years, to be honest with you.
THE NEW JUDGE
So Idol has had a fourth judge before; Angie Martinez didnâ€™t quite work out. I was wondering: whatâ€™s the dynamic this time and what does make it work this time?
Well look, first of all, I have no idea whether this is going to work or not. I havenâ€™t seen the show back yet. Itâ€™s only when I watch the show back whether we actually know if this has been a good idea or a bad idea. The thing I do support is at least trying new things. Sometimes it works and as you said before, sometimes it doesnâ€™t work. Thatâ€™s the delicious thrill of making reality television â€“ you genuinely donâ€™t know.
When did you find out that Kara was joining the cast? Were there any meetings that went on or did you show up for work one day and it was like, â€œHey, you have a new cast member.â€
To be honest with you, Iâ€™d never spoken to this girl in my life and I didnâ€™t know much about her. There had been talk for some time about adding a fourth judge because the British show I do â€“ The X Factor â€“ has had four judges for some time and it did help the format. We werenâ€™t given the choice; it was simply, â€œThis person is joining us. This is her history and we think sheâ€™s going to be good.â€ I kept an open mind, and that was really it.
Which of Karaâ€™s qualities as a judge struck you immediately?
Well, she has experience. Sheâ€™s written hit songs. She has an opinion, which is very, very important. She talks a lot. I think sheâ€™s probably well qualified.
Given that sheâ€™s worked with Idol contestants in the past, either writing songs or singing backup, do you think that helps or hinders her as a judge, having that previous experience with former Idol contestants?
Thatâ€™s a good question. I havenâ€™t even thought about that. Iâ€™d think itâ€™s probably a good thing. At least she knows what the end process is and what you have to do to turn somebody into a recording artist. Sheâ€™s obviously not snobby about this kind of music, which some people can be, with this kind of process. At least sheâ€™s not going to look down on the process, which is a good thing.
Ken [producer] told us the other day that the two female judges were ganging up on you and that you were miserable about it, you didnâ€™t like it, but he said it was good for the show. Iâ€™m wondering what you would say to that.
Well, what guy would like that? Come on. You know? You have two girls ganging up on you. One is hard enough; two is unbearable. Theyâ€™ve both got personalities, theyâ€™re both very forceful and you have a â€¦ At least Iâ€™ve got Randy by my side, so itâ€™s not that bad.
In the past you have said that adding a fourth person to the panel has destroyed the chemistry. Do you want to revise that statement?
Well, good question. I have been very, very happy with this panel for years because we did have a unique chemistry. Like I said right at the top of this conversation, I genuinely donâ€™t know until I watch the show, or until you guys watch the show, whether this is a good thing or a bad thing. Iâ€™m in two minds about this because part of me goes a bit, â€œIf it ainâ€™t broke, donâ€™t fix it,â€ and the other part of me goes, â€œWell, it has worked in the U.K.â€ So weâ€™ll have to wait and see.
Whatâ€™s your take on the other changes, like bringing back the wild card and focusing less on the train wreck auditions?
I think the wild card is a good idea. I wasnâ€™t crazy about the process we went through the last couple of years where we were given a small group of contestants who you actually got bored with once you hit about show five of the live shows. This way this is a bit more jeopardy and hopefully a bit more fun in the middle stages.
The talk about the wild card coming back, you mentioned personality and getting bored with some of the singers who were pretty good but might have kind of bland personalities. How much do you deal with having personality? How important is it in picking somebody to go through? If somebody is a fair singer with a great personality, would you have them go through?
Well, I said this earlier on: I think itâ€™s absolutely vital that weâ€™re finding people who are all around entertainers. Some of the biggest stars in the world should be able to be entertaining entertainers. There were just too many people, I felt, last year in particular, who just werenâ€™t saying what they were thinking. Iâ€™ve always prided myself on this show that itâ€™s a two-way battle. We can criticize them and they have absolutely every right to criticize me in return. Iâ€™ve never ever been afraid to show that on the audition shows, the middle shows and certainly on the live shows. Hopefully this year it might be the year of the contestant fights back a little bit more because I think we need that.
IDOL GIVES BACK
Can you please comment on Idol Gives Back â€“ if it will happen this season, what we can expect and the importance of it?
Well, there wonâ€™t be an Idol Gives Back this year. From my perspective, the reason we havenâ€™t done it is this: First of all, with whatâ€™s happening in the world and America having problems along with the rest of the world, I donâ€™t think it feels right to be turning to people who have problems with mortgages, etc, this year, to start donating money to charities when they have enough problems at home. The second issue is that looking at Idol Gives Back in the future I think that we are going to have to up the balance on how much money is going to American charities. I think itâ€™s important that we give more. Now, this is my own personal perspective; Iâ€™m not talking on behalf of the network. If we do decide to do that, then I think itâ€™s very important that we get the right organizations in advance and make sure that the moneyâ€™s going to the right places. I mean, we will be doing this again, but as I said, it just didnâ€™t feel appropriate this year.
Thereâ€™s been some suggestion that actually, when people are hurting the most they are more inclined to give back. Is there any thought of revamping the show this year? , I read the comments that Ken [producer] made that it was also kind of a stretch for the team of Idol to be putting on this huge charity event in the middle of the season. Is there a different way to do it, within Idol perhaps?
Well, yes. Look, what I said previously, I personally feel uncomfortable asking people, when things are tight, to be doing this sort of thing. If I felt, or we all felt, that it was the right thing to do, then I guess we could put on an additional team, but if we donâ€™t, as I said before, Iâ€™m almost certain that it will come back. I hope that more money will go to charities in the United States because itâ€™s an American show. Weâ€™ve met some of the people weâ€™ve helped out. I have to tell you, it did make a massive difference, so Iâ€™m very, very enthusiastic about doing this again.
There was a lot of talk last year about some of the contestants who were on the show. People talked about Carly and Michael and Kristy as people who had quite a bit of experience in music already. Are there any of those kinds of people this year who we might already know from past years or who have already been in the music business?
Iâ€™m trying to remember as youâ€™re asking me the question. I donâ€™t think as many as last year. Iâ€™m not really too clear on that. Really, I prefer if theyâ€™re kind of new people and they havenâ€™t had that kind of experience. It does seem a little bit fairer. Having said that, I think the Irish girl last year in particular, she was a great singer, so I think it was right to put her on the show.
What you think about the Emmyâ€™s adding a category for reality show judges â€“ do you think itâ€™s overdue, do you like the idea?
I didnâ€™t know. Well, the answer is itâ€™s a good thing, providing I win, and itâ€™s a bad thing if I lose.
Do you think reality judges do enough work?
I wouldnâ€™t hold my breath on winning.
I want to get your comment on what you think of the chart success of the two Davidâ€™s? Have you been pleased to see how theyâ€™ve done and do you feel like both of them have bright careers in the future?
Yes. I have been happy. These arenâ€™t easy times in the record business at the moment. The whole point of American Idol is that youâ€™re giving talented people an opportunity, whereas under normal circumstances you probably wouldnâ€™t get a break or a recording deal. When you see these guys selling records, it makes the whole process worthwhile. You know, with all these contestants, whether youâ€™re talking about Kelly or Fantasia or Carrie Underwood, they all depend on the material they record. They record great material â€“ fantastic. Bad material â€“ theyâ€™re in the same boat as everybody else: It doesnâ€™t work. I think theyâ€™re both smart. I think they both know what direction they want to go in. Iâ€™m optimistic.
A number of idolâ€™s this year were nominated for Grammyâ€™s â€“ Jennifer Hudson, Carrie, Fantasia. I was wondering your thoughts on that. Obviously, you must be proud.
You know what? I absolutely love it when that happens â€“ (a) because they deserve it and (b) I was referring to this earlier on: Thereâ€™s so much snobbery in the music business about what we do on these shows and I know how upset they all get, so I think itâ€™s fantastic.
Main photo by Fabrizio Belluschi